In short: Reported performance "was a lie"; seven or eight rating agencies let private-credit firms and their captive insurers arbitrage ratings ("you just get a price list"); one agency with 25 staff rated 3,200 deals; the DOJ is investigating. "The private credit is sort of the fuse and the insurance companies are the bomb."
Private credit funds lend directly to companies and report their own values. Gundlach says the reported returns proved inaccurate, and that a cottage industry of small rating agencies lets these firms pick favourable ratings — one 25-person agency rated 3,200 deals in a year. He expects this to end the way 2006-era mortgage ratings did: prices collapsing when buyers stop trusting the labels.
7:21And we've seen that in particular in growing strains in the private credit market where people are becoming aware that there are seven or eight rating agencies and the private credit firms and the insurance companies that they own, they're able to arbitrage these ratings. So you can get a rating from a few companies and pick the highest one for example.
In short: A "Mexican standoff": life insurers and pensions hold private credit at marks "that don't reflect reality," and can't sell to buy Treasuries without marking to market. Citing Nick Neoth's Substack work, "1.54 trillion in affiliated insurance compares to like 647 billion dollars in total reserves in the industry. In other words, if the marks are bad enough, they're out of reserves" — and they'd sell Treasuries and mortgage-backs to fill the hole. Expects regulatory relief: "that's just QE through the life insurance industry."
Private credit means loans made directly by investment funds rather than by banks or public bond markets. Because these loans don't trade, their owners report values that are estimates — and Gromen says those estimates "don't reflect reality."
The concern is concentrated in life insurance. Citing a Substack researcher, he says $1.54 trillion of the industry's $10 trillion in assets is "affiliated reinsurance" — risk passed to a related company rather than a genuine outside party ("reinsuring it with my wife"). That compares with roughly $647 billion in total industry reserves. If the loan values are marked down hard enough, reserves run out, and insurers would have to sell what they can sell — Treasuries and mortgage bonds — to fill the hole. He expects regulators to step in with relief instead, which he calls "QE through the life insurance industry," another reason to own gold and stocks over dollars.
38:15And where when I say catastrophic I'm not being hyperbolic. Neoth points out that 1.54 trillion in affiliated insurance compares to like 647 billion dollars in total reserves in the industry. In other words, if the marks are bad enough, they're out of reserves. And if they're out of reserves, guess what they're going to sell to fill in the hole? — Treasuries and mortgage backs — to raise capital.
In short: Alden (with Gromen). Alden separates the two failures precisely: redemption gates are a liquidity feature written into the contract ("you're signing up upfront saying that there's no guarantee of liquidity"), closer to full-reserve banking than to a bank run — but "underneath that, especially on the margins, we do see solvency issues… it's still unclear how big some of those solvency areas could be." Gromen supplies the consequence: insurers and pensions are "jammed up in private credit… there's no price of long-term treasuries where they can take the mark of selling down private credit," which removes the Treasury market's last patient buyer.
Private credit means loans made directly by investment funds instead of by banks or public bond markets. Because the loans never trade, their reported value is an estimate rather than a market price — and that is where the trouble hides.
Alden's contribution is a distinction most commentary skips: liquidity is not solvency. When a fund tells investors it can't meet redemptions, that is usually the contract working as written — investors in these funds agreed up front to quarterly liquidity at best, which she points out is arguably safer than a bank deposit, because the fund never promised money on demand in the first place. "It's not a business's payroll. It's not a person's checking account. It's these entities' savings." What worries her is the separate question underneath: "on the margins we do see solvency issues… it's still unclear how big some of those solvency areas could be."
Gromen supplies the consequence for everyone else. Insurers and pensions sold their long government bonds to buy these floating-rate loans; now they are stuck, because selling would force them to admit the loans are worth less than they carry them at — "there's no price of long-term treasuries where they can take the mark of selling down private credit." So the government's most reliable long-term lender has been quietly removed from the auction at the exact moment it is needed most. And in his end-game the same gate slams on everybody: "'We want three billion.' 'You can't have it.' They'll do it to everything… for two weeks."
0:58There's a challenge of course — there's liquidity and solvency which often get conflated in the media and you can have two problems at the same time in different magnitudes. One thing that there's no doubt about is that there has been liquidity challenges. You'll see a headline like X billions want to withdraw from private equity or private credit fund XYZ.
In short: The non-bid is the tell. Insurers swapped long Treasury duration for SOFR-linked private loans; then the 10-year went to 4.7 and they still didn't buy. "If they could sell it at a decent mark and buy a 10-year Treasury bond at 4.7, 4.75, they would have — and they didn't. That gives you all you need to know about the actual liquidity and solvency of a lot of the stuff that's in private credit." He links the UAE's illiquidity to it — "up to their chin in private credit" when Hormuz shut — and reads the whole thing straight through to more liquidity injection: "we know what to do with that. Buy gold."
Private credit means loans made directly by investment funds rather than through banks or public bond markets — and crucially, loans that don't trade, so their value is an estimate rather than a price. Insurance companies have poured into them, swapping the long-dated government bonds they used to own for floating-rate loans.
Gromen's read isn't a forecast; it's an inference from something that didn't happen. When the 10-year Treasury yield reached 4.7%, insurers should have rushed back into government bonds — that's a good, safe yield for a life insurer. They didn't. "If they could sell it at a decent mark and buy a 10-year Treasury bond at 4.7, 4.75, they would have — and they didn't. That gives you all you need to know about the actual liquidity and solvency of a lot of the stuff that's in private credit." In other words, they can't sell without revealing that the loans are worth less than they carry them at.
Two consequences follow. First, a natural buyer of Treasuries has been removed at exactly the moment the government needs buyers most. Second — and this is his standard move — a stuck balance sheet eventually gets rescued: "they're going to have to inject more liquidity to liquefy everything and give them the balance sheet to be able to do that. That's okay… buy gold." He also connects it to the Gulf: he suspects the UAE's sudden need for dollar swap lines came from being "up to their chin in private credit" when Hormuz closed.
1:22:01So the demand from all these insurance companies on these assets has gone from immense duration to a duration of zero. That is not supporting demand for treasuries. — Not only that, but think of where a lot of — I guarantee you that the Trump administration gave zero thought to the thought that the Middle East was putting a bunch of capital into this stuff and now needs it back out.
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